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Ok - let's revert back to the VI discussion.Thanks for the updated links. As this was recorded at 24/96, I am tempted to grab the Gold. + 48KHz might sound better than 44.1KHz (48KHz easily derived by dividing by 2 & more headroom for our DAC filters)I'm glad you picked up on that; I noticed that as well, and it does seem a bit strange. Downsampling to 48Khz to save space and have essentially no impact on the sound makes a lot of sense, but downgrading to 44.1Khz just because it's the CD standard, and introducing small aliasing effects while doing so and potentially increasing further distortion from any subsequent filtering, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
MaxForte, did you really think I'd let the short space for the signature stop me? Though your list is longer.Otherwise, MacMacMac nailed it. Interesting to see the list over his GAS attacks. I've actually considered the majority of those piano VSTs at some point in time.One question though, isn't the Old Black Grand Pleyel from AcousticSamples? I don't see any mention of a Pleyel on the ImperfectSamples website.I like the video from Stefan Mendl, and have seen it before. Seems they just put microphone pairs above the hammers, but a little back, maybe a mixture of what is called hammer and far/room microphones, by the VSTi companies.Well recorded, and captured, by the Synchron Stage Vienna guys, not saying it isn't, but I don't think it's anything the VSTi companies can't capture, or haven't, at least not the big names in the business.
I am really happy that this is out. I can relate to what some people here say about having too many VSTs and about not wanting to invest too much more into even more libraries. Thing is, this library right here has been in the making for years, and no matter how it will actually turn out, the work that went into it is probably unprecedented.
Or perhaps VSL CFX might come close with its ten mics and hundreds of gigs. But from what I can tell, this is a one man show. Blows my mind how he was able to pull this off. With all the delays I thought that perhaps he's gonna quit, but now it is finished!
Much respect.Re: Steinway D Concert Grand08/09/18 02:25 PM 08/09/18 02:25 PMJoined: Jul 2012Posts: 260. I might go for this eventually but honestly i'm at the point where i can safely say without hesitation or 'only ifs' that i found my go-to piano in the VSL CFX.It took me a long time to find a piano that not only excels in tone and playablity, but also sounds amazing and full in the final mixdown on any system you throw it in (car stereo, PA system, phone, ipad, laptop speakers, you name it.).You know that signature cologne you put when you go out on any occasion because you know it will be appropriate no matter what. That's how i feel about the VSL CFX.The only reason why i might got for this Steinway D in the future is out of curiosity, to see if all the hard work put in making it translates and lives up to the specs.Re: Steinway D Concert Grand08/09/18 05:14 PM 08/09/18 05:14 PMJoined: Jul 2010Posts: 2,453. I've already got the Production Voices Steinway Concert Grand COMPACT version, but it has the following serious issues.For me, unless those issues are 100% working (in the full version), it's a deal-breaker, so not I'm buying it.Anybody able to confirm either way, please?1. Cannot play a note silently, no matter how slowly I depress the key.2.
Sympathetic string resonance doesn't really work.Without sustain pedal, hold down any key like middle C (almost silently!), then briefly strike any related notes in the harmonic series ABOVE or BELOW and they should cause the held-down middle C note's undamped string to start resonating in sympathy at its fundamental or harmonic pitches, depending which note pitch excited their resonance. And you'll hear their resonant ringing continuing as long as you keep holding down the silent middle C key.
We all know this, right?!But on PV Concert Grand Compact, it's not working properly. It only works for notes ABOVE (eg. Strike a high C octave ABOVE and you hear that high C's pitch ringing from middle C's undamped harmonic) whereas for any related notes BELOW it doesn't work, eg. Strike lower octave C and it should excite middle C's undamped fundamental pitch, at least, to ring in sympathy, but IT DOESN'T WORK.Perhaps Production Voices can comment on this, or release an update to fix things.
Otherwise I assume it's the same for the full version too.???Re: Steinway D Concert Grand08/10/18 07:19 AM 08/10/18 07:19 AMJoined: Jul 2016Posts: 169. First Impressions.(No I am not Jason, just to make that clear)There are 72 RAR files (2gig each, until the last one). Great move to use the download manager (I've used it with other products). So, for myself, it took maybe 45 minutes or less (250 425mbs) and the downloader also unpacks and installs everything.
Next, get the presets from your email link- pretty easy (pretty much the same setup if you have the Production Grand). Load up Kontakt.This impression is from only Kontakt, not my DAW where I could add additional speakers- so with that; the sound is very clean, crisp, sharp. Some same problems with loading a preset (like PG) you might wind uploading everything even though you're only using a few mics; this seems to be caused by turning all the volumes down on unused mics but still loading the samples; just something to be aware of if your system temporarily freezes.Issues from this.
Cannot play a note silently, no matter how slowly I depress the key.2. Sympathetic string resonance doesn't really work.Without sustain pedal, hold down any key like middle C (almost silently!), then briefly strike any related notes in the harmonic series ABOVE or BELOW and they should cause the held-down middle C note's undamped string to start resonating in sympathy at its fundamental or harmonic pitches, depending which note pitch excited their resonance. And you'll hear their resonant ringing continuing as long as you keep holding down the silent middle C key. We all know this, right?!But on PV Concert Grand Compact, it's not working properly. It only works for notes ABOVE (eg.
Strike a high C octave ABOVE and you hear that high C's pitch ringing from middle C's undamped harmonic) whereas for any related notes BELOW it doesn't work, eg. Strike lower octave C and it should excite middle C's undamped fundamental pitch, at least, to ring in sympathy, but IT DOESN'T WORK.-1- Not sure what you mean; slowly eventually there is a faint sound and maintained if held. Of course, pressed harder- sound is louder.-2- As above, I don't believe this is a problem.In addition, I have both the PG and this compact version- there 'compact' for a reason, hence smaller samples and functionality.I've only briefly played with the inside (max) and outside (3/4) and it sounds just as good and better than the demos. I think Jason has refined this piano from lessons learned with the C7, I'm pretty impressed anyway.$149, yeah a good deal.If there's any specific question- I can try to test it for anyone.Re: Steinway D Concert Grand08/10/18 11:16 AM 08/10/18 11:16 AMJoined: Nov 2012Posts: 153. Cannot play a note silently, no matter how slowly I depress the key.2.
Sympathetic string resonance doesn't really work.The reason for #1 was that the sympathetic resonance was not working properly with a silent note, so Jason set the minimum velocity at I think 2 - so no silent note, but the sympathetic resonance issue went away. This actually was something I emailed him on in the Production Grand Compact. This is a unique issue with the soundfont in Sforzando and not Kontakt.For #2, the programming is set to trigger sympathetic resonance only on matching harmonics above the note pressed as you indicate.
I can't remember exactly how this is scripted, but it may be easy to change. I'll take a quick look tonight as I also have Concert Grand Compact.I was initially going to get the Concert Grand LE, but I am a bit ticked off right now on the upgrade policy. When I bought Concert Grand Compact during the launch, the marketing clearly said it would be upgradable to the Kontakt version. After some back and forth emails with Jason, he essentially told me I didn't pay enough to get upgrade pricing, so I was out of luck.
Essentially then this is false advertising. He admitted he marketed this poorly, but is holding his ground. I also own 3 other libraries, and not even any consideration for this. I was only looking for a $5 or $10 dollar discount. So at this point, I am not inclined to buy any more products from him since he doesn't seem to honor his commitments. It's really a matter of principle to me and not the money here being asked for. Other developers I have bought from have always stepped up and did the right thing.
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So pretty mad at the moment on this.I've spent a lot of time with CGC and as far as the sound quality in various compositions (working on Debussy Reverie currently), I find the bass a smidge weaker then some of my other vsts. It has quite a hard attack which takes away a bit in terms of delicacy. There are some upper notes, especially at forte levels that have excessive metallic ringing. Other than this, the sound is very clear, almost clinical, with good stereo presentation.Given my current state of mind and from comments I read here and elsewhere, I am inclined to spend my money (and ssd space) on the Embertone Walker once I know the pedalling and other issues have been addressed.
A host of new piano-centric features have been added to the Ivory II engine. Principal among them is Sympathetic String Resonance, a long sought after but elusive characteristic of real pianos that Synthogy approaches in a completely new and unique way, realizing the true complexities and subtleties of sympathetic string excitation. Harmonic Resonance Modeling is a brand new technology that does not rely upon triggering additional samples, ordinary sine waves, or recordings in any way. Rather, notes struck that are harmonically related excite the actual complex overtones of the notes that are being held, in the same manner that undamped strings ring in a real acoustic piano. The result is an unprecedented new level of realism.